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You can =\r\nfind us in the #apertium IRC channel at freenode.net, or in the apertium-st=\r\nuff distribution list ( https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/aperti=\r\num-stuff) \n\n[Incidentally, I am indeed actively researching ways to use MT =\r\nnot to generate translations, but rather to identify, in the case of a fuzz=\r\ny match, which parts of the target sentence have to be changed and which ca=\r\nn be preserved by the professional translator, and OmegaT would be the plat=\r\nform of choice to test those ideas; I will keep you posted]. \n\nBut I write =\r\nto clarify further (thanks Yves Savourel) the differences between Apertium =\r\nand OpenTrad so that you clearly distinguish them. I hope my explanation wi=\r\nll make it clear why is it that you have to use the correct name, that is, =\r\nApertium, to refer to the system.\n\nAnd, by the way, we also have some Frenc=\r\nh in http://www.apertium.org, but ours has been hopefully written or revise=\r\nd by a human. If there is any mistake, I would appreciate it very much if y=\r\nou could point it out to us. We cannot take any responsibility for the use =\r\nof French in Opentrad. The use of unpostedited MT in websites without \n\nWhe=\r\nn Apertium development started in 2004, funded by the Spanish Ministry of I=\r\nndustry, Tourism and Commerce (MITyC), the initial consortium decided to us=\r\ne the name OpenTrad to refer collectively to two MT systems: the Romance-la=\r\nnguage system that would later be Apertium and the Spanish to Basque system=\r\n that would later be Matxin (http://matxin.sf.net). Apertium was then usual=\r\nly referred to as &quot;OpenTrad Apertium&quot;.\n\nLater on, Apertium started to be de=\r\nveloped mainly outside that consortium, independently of the initial consor=\r\ntium, and a free software developer community formed around it, and began t=\r\no be called just Apertium.\n\nApertium has been successful in attracting fund=\r\ning from many other sources outside the OpenTrad consortium. Recently, Aper=\r\ntium became one of the projects in the 2009 Google Summer of Code, and 8 st=\r\nudents finished their summer projects in Apertium.\n\nCommunications emanatin=\r\ng from OpenTrad consortium, through its web http://www.opentrad.com, and in=\r\n press releases, and despite repeated protests by Apertium developers, nota=\r\nbly by me, consistently use the name OpenTrad to refer to Apertium, includi=\r\nng Apertium development developed outside the consortium, or misrepresent A=\r\npertium developments taking place outside of Opentrad as part of Opentrad. =\r\nWhenever I have contacted them to complain about their systematic silencing=\r\n of Apertium, members of OpenTrad blame the journalists for this misreprese=\r\nntation.\n\nThis may be one of the sources of the current name confusion.\n\nI =\r\ntherefore urge you to use the correct name (Apertium) to refer to the machi=\r\nne translation platform, and reserve the name OpenTrad to refer to the comp=\r\nanies that use this brand to sell Apertium-based services.\n\nThank you very =\r\nmuch!\n\nMikel L. Forcada\nwww.apertium.org\n\n\n&gt; It looks like OpenTrad uses MT=\r\n to translate its web site, at least in\n&gt; French: it&#39;s full of mistakes, so=\r\nme of which (at first sight) are worse than\n&gt; Google Translate&#39;s.\n&gt; \n&gt; What=\r\n is a bit debatable is that they seem to advocate using OpenTrad without\n&gt; =\r\nany post-editing.\n&gt; \n&gt; &lt;&lt;Le nouveau web Saint-Sebastien Tourisme a integre =\r\nOpentrad\n&gt; \n&gt; 19/11/2009\n&gt; Nouvelle:Le nouveau web Saint-Sebastien Tourisme=\r\n a integre Opentrad\n&gt; \n&gt; Cette semaine s&#39;est jetee le renouvele site web de=\r\n Saint-Sebastien Tourisme.\n&gt; Entre autres nouveautes il se trouve la versio=\r\nn en catalan, avec celle qui\n&gt; se veut offrir une attention speciale aux vi=\r\nsiteurs qu&#39;arrivent depuis la\n&gt; Catalogne (25% du total).\n&gt; \n&gt; La version e=\r\nn catalan du site web se genere automatiquement moyennant\n&gt; Opentrad. C&#39;est=\r\n-a-dire, lorsqu&#39;un utilisateur appuyez sur sur le lien &quot;ca&quot;,\n&gt; se lui montr=\r\nera la page traduite par Opentrad. Grace a l&#39;implantation de ce\n&gt; systeme, =\r\ntout...&gt;&gt;\n&gt; \n&gt; I hope (for Catalan visitors) that the results are better in=\r\n Catalan than in\n&gt; French.\n&gt; \n&gt; &gt;I think\n&gt; &gt;Google never say OmegaT can&#39;t u=\r\nse Google Translator, but how knows.\n&gt; &gt;\n&gt; &gt;It&#39;s a suggestion, and I hope t=\r\nhat can be do.\n&gt; \n&gt; It&#39;s mostly a question of resources, and motivation for=\r\n the developers.\n&gt; We got Google Translate because it covers Belarusian.\n&gt; =\r\n\n&gt; There were some discussions with someone from Apertium some time ago, bu=\r\nt\n&gt; there were no outcome so far.\n&gt; \n&gt; If that&#39;s not already the case, a Re=\r\nquest For Enhancement could be created\n&gt; on Sourceforge.\n&gt; \n&gt; \n&gt; Didier\n&gt;\n\n=\r\n\n\n"}}