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29 Apr 2010 14:07:52 -0000\r\nX-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107)\n  by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2010 14:07:52 -0000\r\nX-Received: from unknown (HELO web113311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.167.11)\n  by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2010 14:07:51 -0000\r\nX-Received: (qmail 5820 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Apr 2010 14:07:50 -0000\r\nMessage-ID: &lt;843294.4689.qm@web113311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com&gt;\r\nX-YMail-OSG: .5yDszkVM1nTlxWCG5eix3oHff5q6BsPd69Gt.nmiH2j54K\n A1VOE0uZsYhLJAkKwpxgLNgI.4X.Vpvh3.eeWdaP3If0R3i1YP_zPAUYgrZp\n 3f9xbMkjL2Dw_9D_FqkisalUzHJBV1p85eQHbQNTWeaK4Pxk_rJfAbjZPcIy\n EDNElZZ0.OJSkQ1Wek7fu7ylQ8ql.qZtxNOg.LSORQQh0nhw.2e7alYNVXEe\n ujAhUjhqMSZ5hKCa9wJygwmdY6nQeaAQ0aiPtijMb0JtgGSIWzPiUWpCJ6ac\n xkCUgIUDu.T3F0qKiIVpf5wxC9aItrHdROMMTcJzyBok5SdS_njdaGch1aAw\n hrc95Esnq3UW_tclOMyYwvuaetCnMqQ--\r\nX-Received: from [62.219.164.68] by web113311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:07:50 PDT\r\nX-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680\r\nReferences: &lt;h2i5080587d1004281019r89b0dcdchd0711f4c99f2baa1@mail.gmail.com&gt; 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          OmegaT Level 1 TMX files do not have inline tags.\nI want to ke=\r\nep all reference TMX files in one location because useful segments will be =\r\nmixed among many projects.\nI have been copying the wrong file, as you noted=\r\n. The Omega TMX level1 files are created at the END of the project in the p=\r\nroject root directory.\nI understand that the Omega TMX directory assigned i=\r\nn the Properties links  uses the level1 files I copy into it for legacy seg=\r\nments (without inline tags).\nIf so, how does it search for TM segments crea=\r\nted previously in the SAME document if this TM file is in the project direc=\r\ntory, not my special directory.\nWhy doesn&#39;t the Omega create at least a cop=\r\ny of Level1 files in the linked directory for TM files?\n\nAnyway, I copied i=\r\nn all level1 &#39;s I found and erased the copied project_save files, etc. that=\r\n had inline tags.\nSo, some of the problem is solved, but I&#39;m not sure I cle=\r\narly understand Omega&#39;s handling of the legacy files.\nThat obviously has be=\r\nen the root of my problem.\n\nBTW, after reading few of the forum comments on=\r\n a glossary,   I took a word file with a Heb&gt;Eng term list table, changed t=\r\nhe table to tabulated, saved as plain text and used OO to make it a utf8 fi=\r\nle. In addition, before the final change, I flipped the columns to make  an=\r\n Eng&gt;Heb list continue from the bottom of the Heb&gt;Eng.  Now my glossary sho=\r\nws from either source to target. With the right click insert of terms, it i=\r\ns saving me a lot of time and greatly increasing consistency where there wa=\r\ns a wide choice of possible translations.  Thanks for that capability.\nI st=\r\nill have not found a good downloadable Heb-Eng dictionary to insert. So tha=\r\nt was doubly important.\nThanks,\nRuth\n\n\n\n\n&gt; I also  rename the &#39;project_save=\r\n&#39;  TMX file , either to &#39;project_save \n(2).TMX , etc . or to &#39;project name&#39;=\r\n .tmx as I copy\n&gt; them to the directory.  Does a name change interfere with=\r\n Omega&#39;s use \nof the TMX&#39;s?\n\nIf you don&#39;t want inline tags, don&#39;t do this. =\r\n(I can&#39;t see any reason \nfor doing this, in any case.) Use the Level 1 TMX =\r\nfile that is created \nin the root folder of the project when you create the=\r\n target documents.\n\n&gt;   I tried that once.  The language structure is so di=\r\nfferent that \nit&#39;s confusing to work that way.  I can&#39;t &#39;see where I am goi=\r\nng&#39;. \n\nHebrew to English, presumably. I&#39;m afraid I can&#39;t comment on that; \n=\r\nperhaps an OmegaT user familiar with this combination can. A source text \nw=\r\nith heavy inline formatting and major variation between SL and TL \nsyntax i=\r\ns something of a worst case, I admit.\n\nMarc\n\nRuth Kadmiel wrote:\n&gt;\n&gt;\n&gt;\n&gt;\n&gt; =\r\n____________ _________ _________ __\n&gt; From: Marc Prior &lt;mail@marcprior. de&gt;=\r\n\n&gt; To: OmegaT@yahoogroups. com\n&gt; Sent: Thu, April 29, 2010 3:26:39 PM\n&gt; Sub=\r\nject: Re: [OmT] advice please\n&gt;\n&gt; \n&gt;&gt; It&#39;s a machine user manual with lots =\r\nof screen shots, lists, bold, etc.\n&gt;\n&gt;&gt; Screenshots and lists shouldn&#39;t inc=\r\nrease the number of tags.\n&gt;         There are areas completely clear of tag=\r\ns in the source \nsegment, and quite a few with a &quot;tag salad&quot;  and no matter=\r\n how careful, \nI have a few dozen errors to fix before it will create the t=\r\nranslation file!\n&gt;\n&gt;&gt; How do I make a TMX file Level 1?\n&gt;\n&gt; If it&#39;s an Omeg=\r\naT TMX, you don&#39;t need to: OmegaT outputs them \nautomatically. If it came f=\r\nrom somewhere else, it might be worth writing \na script or a macro to remov=\r\ne the inline tags.\n&gt;           All of them are made by various  OmegaT proj=\r\nects and copied \nto the directory and they ALL have tags in them in the TM =\r\nwindow. I use \nCTRL + I and, bingo, all the tags are there, too.   Sometime=\r\ns, if the \ntranslation is simple and very close (including word order, it&#39;s=\r\n easier \nto use the Google trans and rework it as the tags are in the right=\r\n \nplace. That doesn&#39;t happen very often.\n&gt;\n&gt; I also  rename the &#39;project_sa=\r\nve&#39;  TMX file , either to &#39;project_save \n(2).TMX , etc . or to &#39;project nam=\r\ne&#39; .tmx as I copy\n&gt; them to the directory.  Does a name change interfere wi=\r\nth Omega&#39;s use \nof the TMX&#39;s?\n&gt;\n&gt;&gt; Wouldn&#39;t I then have to copy the tags fr=\r\nom the source to the target \nsegment for my final copy to be formatted?\n&gt;\n&gt;=\r\n Yes, of course, but at least you wouldn&#39;t have to remove them from \nthe le=\r\ngacy segments.\n&gt;\n&gt; I have OmegaT configured to copy source into target auto=\r\nmatically, \nand then work around the tags.\n&gt;   I tried that once.  The lang=\r\nuage structure is so different that \nit&#39;s confusing to work that way.  I ca=\r\nn&#39;t &#39;see where I am going&#39;. \n&gt;\n&gt; Ruth\n&gt;\n&gt; Marc\n&gt;\n&gt; Ruth Kadmiel wrote:\n&gt;&gt; I=\r\nt&#39;s a machine user manual with lots of screen shots, lists, bold, etc.\n&gt;&gt; H=\r\now do I make a TMX file Level 1?\n&gt;&gt; Wouldn&#39;t I then have to copy the tags f=\r\nrom the source to the target \nsegment for my final copy to be formatted?\n&gt;&gt;=\r\n\n&gt;&gt; We are talking about a LOT of formatting (60-70 pages).\n&gt;&gt; Ruth\n&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;\n&gt;=\r\n&gt;\n&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt; ____________ _________ _________ __\n&gt;&gt; From: Marc Prior &lt;mail@marcp=\r\nrior. de&gt;\n&gt;&gt; To: OmegaT@yahoogroups. com\n&gt;&gt; Sent: Thu, April 29, 2010 3:11:=\r\n03 PM\n&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [OmT] advice please\n&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt; Why are there so many ta=\r\ngs in your text? Is it full of subscripts and\n&gt;&gt; superscripts, for instance=\r\n?\n&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt; If you want legacy matches without tags, use Level 1 TMX files.\n&gt;&gt;\n=\r\n&gt;&gt; Marc\n&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt; Ruth Kadmiel wrote:\n&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi ,\n&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;m wasting so much time =\r\nwith the tags, that the TM isn&#39;t really \nsaving time. Example:\n&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt; I se=\r\ne a &lt;80% match, click it in, only to find that the ONLY \ndifference is the =\r\ntags.  Now, they are a different color, but there can \nbe so many of them t=\r\nhat cutting and pasting them around or typing them \ntakes too much time.  O=\r\nn the other hand if there are no tags in the TM \nsegment but lots in the so=\r\nurce segment, I&#39;m still typing, etc.\n&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt; If I select the option of NOT =\r\nseeing the tags in the target \nsegment, then bring in a TM fuzzy match, I s=\r\ntill have to erase its \nsegments, so.....\n&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt; I have all my TMX files i=\r\nn one main OmegaTM directory so that it \nshould be able to take from the cl=\r\nosest match, at least. But the \nformatting is obviously quite different in =\r\neach source file.\n&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt; I use OO as a source file (converted from word 20=\r\n03).  I have \nOffice 2007 but most source files come to me in 2003 format. =\r\n OO seems \nto work fine.\n&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt; Am I doing something wrong here?\n&gt;&gt;&gt; Ruth\n=\r\n&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt; ____________ _________ _________ __\n&gt;&gt;&gt; From: tony bald=\r\nwin &lt;tony@baldwinsoftwa r e.com&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt; To: OmegaT@yahoogroups. com\n&gt;&gt;&gt; Sent: =\r\nWed, April 28, 2010 9:05:22 PM\n&gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [OmT] ERROR MESSAGE\n&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt;=\r\n\n&gt;&gt;&gt; On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Didier Briel &lt;d.briel@free. fr&gt; wrote=\r\n:\n&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; From: OmegaT@yaho=\r\nogroups. com [mailto:OmegaT@ yahoogroups. com]On \nBehalf Of tony baldwin\n&gt;&gt;=\r\n&gt;&gt;&gt; Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:19 PM\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; To: OmegaT@yahoogroups. c=\r\nom\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [OmT] ERROR MESSAGE\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; This highlights one f=\r\nailing that I find rather disconcerting.\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; When errors like this arise,=\r\n I&#39;d like to know in WHICH FILE the \nerror is found.\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; It&#39;s pretty clea=\r\nr that there is an error in some xml file, but that\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; could mean a tmx =\r\nfile or an odt file, etc.\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Which is why it is documented in=\r\n the log.\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; See my answer to Ruth.\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt; Where is this=\r\n log of which you speak?\n&gt;&gt;&gt; Of what kind of wood is it composed?\n&gt;&gt;&gt; It is=\r\n flammable?\n&gt;&gt;&gt; Should I take precautions against termites?\n&gt;&gt;&gt; It his log =\r\nsome kind of oracle?\n&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt; ./tony\n&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt; [Non-text portions =\r\nof this message have been removed]\n&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt;\n\n\n \n\n[Non-text portions of this=\r\n message have been removed]\n\n\n"}}