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You have brought up a lot of arguments here like monetary value, increase of market share and visibility to potential users, etc. Have you ever considered","rawEmail":"Return-Path: &lt;tomaskovicde@yahoo.de&gt;\r\nX-Sender: tomaskovicde@yahoo.de\r\nX-Apparently-To: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nX-Received: (qmail 46180 invoked from network); 2 May 2008 14:42:26 -0000\r\nX-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97)\n  by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2008 14:42:26 -0000\r\nX-Received: from unknown (HELO web26302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.13)\n  by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2008 14:42:25 -0000\r\nX-Received: (qmail 59138 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2008 14:42:24 -0000\r\nX-YMail-OSG: Cx3CSIsVM1nF40narEQRKWgaveI7YXmpPv4WOPKfu.JQr_zX5REh2vWoAjeJUxfP16bd83zUiaZrtQ3jLdeE_xZsczmW6KKmcwFJNmTX5I7nSbKSbuqoag--\r\nX-Received: from [84.56.155.6] by web26302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 May 2008 14:42:24 GMT\r\nX-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185\r\nDate: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:42:24 +0000 (GMT)\r\nTo: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nIn-Reply-To: &lt;fvf6r4+m7j4@eGroups.com&gt;\r\nMIME-Version: 1.0\r\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8\r\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable\r\nMessage-ID: &lt;719788.59089.qm@web26302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com&gt;\r\nX-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.13\r\nX-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0\r\nFrom: &quot;S. Tomaskovic&quot; &lt;tomaskovicde@yahoo.de&gt;\r\nSubject: Re: [OmT] Training / Word count\r\nX-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=73897510; y=42s_-k0d8wM_0sdJXWrWOvmzo8r0HJ9jrPbKpmP6Rq7jnK1hlx24\r\nX-Yahoo-Profile: tomaskovicde\r\n\r\n\n\n\n&gt; &gt; A lot of agencies/clients do not know what OmegaT is.\n&gt; The ones tha=\r\nt\n&gt; do expect us to know how it works. \n&gt; \n&gt; Maybe that could be changed. A=\r\ns for the expectations, one\n&gt; can always\n&gt; expect that a said person know h=\r\now to use, e.g., a certain\n&gt; software\n&gt; tool. That never prevented from exi=\r\nstence thousands of\n&gt; training\n&gt; courses, etc.\n&gt;\nYou have brought up a lot =\r\nof arguments here like monetary value, increase of market share and visibil=\r\nity to potential users, etc. \nHave you ever considered that we are not stri=\r\nving for these things, and why we don&#39;t?\n\n \n&gt; That&#39;s your account of your p=\r\nersonal experience. Of\n&gt; course I respect\n&gt; that, and it&#39;s always one inter=\r\nesting case that can be\n&gt; studied to\n&gt; evaluate the relevance of introducin=\r\ng such certifications.\n&gt; But one or\n&gt; two cases aren&#39;t statistically releva=\r\nnt when you&#39;re\n&gt; talking about\n&gt; potentially thousands of translators. And =\r\nlike I said\n&gt; before, the\n&gt; awareness to OmegaT could be changed.\n&gt;\nI think=\r\n there are many more users like me who have never had to provide any eviden=\r\nce. I would therefore like to express this as a more general view, not only=\r\n my personal experience.\n\n \n&gt; I&#39;ve seen a lot of publishers and agencies as=\r\nking for\n&gt; certification\n&gt; with Trados. \n&gt; \nReally? Wow, you&#39;ll need to sho=\r\nw me those because I haven&#39;t.\n\n\n&gt; I don&#39;t have any personal motivation to c=\r\nreate demand.\n&gt; I only talked\n&gt; about demand because someone said that ther=\r\ne wouldn&#39;t\n&gt; be market/demand\n&gt; for training. I aknowledged that could be t=\r\nhe case, but, if\n&gt; it were,\n&gt; there could be an effort to create demand. Mo=\r\nre people\n&gt; using OmegaT -&gt;\n&gt; Possibility of training -&gt; Create demand.\n&gt;\nH=\r\nave you ever considered that the project may not really be aiming to achiev=\r\ne this?\n\n \n&gt; There are benefits everywhere. You&#39;ll have a tool where\n&gt; user=\r\ns can be\n&gt; certified, and there&#39;s added trust from agencies, etc.\n\nI don&#39;t =\r\nthink so. Again you are mentioning certification as being an advantage in i=\r\ntself, and I have to disagree strongly. Even an MS certification in itself =\r\nwill not bring you any jobs if you do not have the necessary background or =\r\nyour customers simply don&#39;t care.\n\n\n&gt; People will be\n&gt; able to hear: &quot;There=\r\n is certification for this\n&gt; tool&quot;. \nDitto.\n\n \n&gt; Well, are you saying that =\r\nif you were to complete a Ubuntu\n&gt; certified\n&gt; course you wouldn&#39;t learn *a=\r\nnything* at all? \n\nNo, but the question was what added value my clients wou=\r\nld get. My personal impression is that I am running my system well enough s=\r\no that my clients don&#39;t even know I am not on Windows. If I got certified I=\r\n would certainly learn a lot - but that may not be of any value to my clien=\r\nts, at least from my experience so far.\n\n\n&gt; It&#39;s a common\n&gt; place persons\n&gt;=\r\n asking questions that could be otherwise googled, etc. Of\n&gt; course I\n&gt; fee=\r\nl ok with it, I&#39;m an autodidact, I don&#39;t mind\n&gt; being told to fgoogle\n&gt; it,=\r\n nor spending the time to learn by myself. But, like\n&gt; mentioned\n&gt; earlier,=\r\n not all people are alike.\n&gt; \n&gt; \nAbsolutely. Those who prefer training or t=\r\nutoring rather than learning something by themselves will benefit from trai=\r\nning courses. But again the question is where the added value will be once =\r\nthey use the tool in a productive environment. The client won&#39;t know how th=\r\ney acquired their knowledge about a certain tool, they&#39;ll just see the end =\r\nproduct and either like it or not - and that may be the result of a number =\r\nof factors.\n\n\n&gt; \n&gt; I didn&#39;t mention only monetary value. Microsoft has\n&gt; so=\r\nme of the most\n&gt; widely tools used in this planet. They have an enourmous\n&gt;=\r\n share. \n\nWorld domination. Maybe I cannot speak for the entire project tea=\r\nm, but I think that most of us have no such plans for OmT.\n\n\n&gt; Of\n&gt; course =\r\nthere are a lot of reasons for that, but having\n&gt; training helps,\n&gt; in my o=\r\npinion (it seems obvious to me).\n&gt;\nOK. \n\n\n\n&gt; \n&gt; Indeed. So why do all trans=\r\nlators give details about their\n&gt; training?\n&gt; College courses, etc?\n&gt;\nIndee=\r\nd, why do they? Good question. Tell me.\n\n \n&gt; Don&#39;t get me wrong. I do agree=\r\n with you in your\n&gt; perspective about\n&gt; education. I do think that the &quot;dip=\r\nloma&quot; is\n&gt; irrelevant to really know\n&gt; about things, but this is my opinion=\r\n. I can&#39;t force\n&gt; everyone to think\n&gt; like me.\n&gt;\nAbsolutely. Hence my opini=\r\non that whoever wants to offer training courses should do so. \n\n\n\n \n&gt; Well,=\r\n studying astrophysics will never give me enough money\n&gt; to go to\n&gt; space, =\r\nbut my mind passes there a considerable amount of\n&gt; time!\n\nI would personal=\r\nly like to point you to the following site, which I think summarizes very w=\r\nell what the open source world is really about. (I&#39;ve never seen a site tha=\r\nt uses such clear and blunt language.) I recommend you read problem #7 very=\r\n thoroughly, there&#39;s a lot in there that some people just cannot grasp (sim=\r\nply replace Linux with OmT).\n\nHere&#39;s the link:\nhttp://linux.oneandoneis2.or=\r\ng/LNW.htm\n\nSonja\n\n\n      Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails auf dem Handy.\nwww.yahoo.de=\r\n/go\n\n"}}