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I want to transfer this responsibility to the project where 6 project admins currently have a relatively equal status and where other developers can be ","rawEmail":"Return-Path: &lt;mail@marcprior.de&gt;\r\nX-Sender: mail@marcprior.de\r\nX-Apparently-To: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nReceived: (qmail 7246 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2007 13:21:30 -0000\r\nReceived: from unknown (66.218.67.36)\n  by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2007 13:21:29 -0000\r\nReceived: from unknown (HELO mo-p07-ob.rzone.de) (81.169.146.189)\n  by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2007 13:21:28 -0000\r\nReceived: from [192.168.0.106] (p5086CFF9.dip.t-dialin.net [80.134.207.249])\n\tby post.webmailer.de (mrclete mo11) (RZmta 6.8)\n\twith ESMTP id 80143bj51CNmoI for &lt;OmegaT@yahoogroups.com&gt;;\n\tFri, 1 Jun 2007 15:21:21 +0200 (MEST)\r\nTo: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nDate: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:23:17 +0200\r\nUser-Agent: KMail/1.8.2\r\nReferences: &lt;614685.59444.qm@web26309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com&gt; &lt;11D52AA7-12BD-46EC-94DE-709581BA2914@mx6.tiki.ne.jp&gt;\r\nIn-Reply-To: &lt;11D52AA7-12BD-46EC-94DE-709581BA2914@mx6.tiki.ne.jp&gt;\r\nMIME-Version: 1.0\r\nContent-Type: text/plain;\n  charset=&quot;iso-8859-1&quot;\r\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit\r\nContent-Disposition: inline\r\nMessage-Id: &lt;200706011523.17790.mail@marcprior.de&gt;\r\nX-RZG-AUTH: j/gCopV6GBybdkZQTO25IIyQPf1c67/3KTtm4IYrWhESXt8kMGDhhz5/RTDy3oTt09Uw\r\nX-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07\r\nX-Originating-IP: 81.169.146.189\r\nX-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0\r\nFrom: Marc Prior &lt;mail@marcprior.de&gt;\r\nSubject: Re: [OmT] User oriented (re ?) organization of the OmegaT project\r\nX-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=12196177; y=rQv7Glc2oaNNYrVv-h_aoS8tWKqqC0d-TRnQi2y3ebMLX3oT\r\nX-Yahoo-Profile: lin4trans\r\n\r\nAm Freitag 01 Juni 2007 14:51 schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary:\n&gt;\n&gt; Well, let&#39;s put it that way. Currently the person in charge of Yahoo is me. \nI want to transfer this responsibility to the project where 6 project admins \ncurrently have a &quot;relatively&quot; equal status and where other developers can be \nattributed tasks (such as co-moderating the forum). The organizational result \nwould be to shift from a single person responsible for the whole thing to a \nproject in charge of the set of lists.\n\nJC, is the real issue that you don&#39;t want to be in charge of the Yahoo! group \non your own? You&#39;ve raised this before. If so, can we talk about that issue \nseparately from where the user group should be hosted?\n\nThe only argument I can see for moving the user group to SF is that you&#39;re in \ncharge of the user group and you&#39;d like to move it there. If we&#39;re talking \nabout others, including me, assuming more responsibility for the user group, \nthen I would certainly be opposed to moving it to SF. Whilst I appreciate the \nfacility that SF provides, it&#39;s very geek-centric and is a big clunky monster \nto &quot;ordinary&quot;, non-tech users.\n\n&gt;  The second issue is that this list is part of the OmegaT project but is too \nremote from it that casual users really understand what the project is.\n\nI have to disagree with this. The Yahoo! list is very close to users, because \nmost of our users will already be familiar with Yahoo! groups. And to me, \nit&#39;s more important that the user group be close to the users than to the \nproject management side. Yes, I&#39;d also like to see more users taking a \ngreater interest in the project and not just in the product, but I don&#39;t \nthing the solution is to force them to do so.\n\n&gt; Definitely. But it is very easy for users to stick to the Yahoo interface \nand never leave it except for downloading the updated packages where they \n_have_ to go to SF.\n\nIs there anything wrong with that?\n\n&gt; I think getting the users to be in touch with the SF site, the other lists \nwhen they make searches, the trackers tabs when they open the site is a very \nvisual way to get them used to the whole buzz.\n\nI receive messages from [OmT] as e-mails in my in-box and messages from \n[OmT-dev] and [OmT-l10n] as e-mails in my in-box. The fact that the first of \nthese come from a Yahoo! group and the last two from SF mailing lists is \nimmaterial. Once I&#39;ve signed up, they look just the same. No visual \ndifference at all.\n\n&gt; Each project has activity stats that reflect, well, its activity. Basically \nthe activity that is taken into account is the number of downloads, the \nactivity on the trackers, the activity on the lists, the number of viewed \npages.\n\nMoving the user group would increase the volume of project activity logged on \nSF, it&#39;s true. But is that statistic of interest to anyone?\n\nWe could go the other way, and move the user group to ProZ.com. I&#39;m sure \nthey&#39;d love to have us. That, I guarantee, would increase our user base \nphenomenally. But increasing our user base isn&#39;t the only objective.\n\n&gt; They are all pretty bad, I acknowledge that. But as far as mere information \nis concerned we have the official site, managed by Marc, that does a terrific \njob at providing information in a multilingual format. So let&#39;s see the thing \nas a pair: the static side managed by Marc, and the buzz side managed by, \nwell, the managers.\n\nWe&#39;re back to the plural again. :-) JC, you know my feeling on this. Firstly, \nI think it&#39;s better for people to be responsible for their individual areas \nrather than for a lot of people to be involved in lots of different areas. \nThat&#39;s why I am happy to be the only one dealing with the website, even if it \nmeans that some things don&#39;t get done quite as quickly as they otherwise \nwould. Secondly, I like processes to be people-driven, rather than \ntechnology-driven. That means that someone volunteers to do something (e.g. \nrun the user group), and that person then decides how it&#39;s done (chooses the \nvenue). I really don&#39;t like things being done the other way around, where a \ncommittee decides what&#39;s going to be done and with what technology, and \nsomeone else gets the job and is forced to use the technology dictated by the \ncommittee. \n\nSabine is already maintaining another user group at wesolvit.net. As far as \nI&#39;m concerned, the user group can be hosted there if you&#39;d rather no longer \nbe group owner. \n\nMarc\n\n"}}