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I think this comment is especially interesting because it confirms that the concept of sentence (or even paragraph) varies drastically between languages...","rawEmail":"Return-Path: &lt;fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp&gt;\r\nX-Sender: fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp\r\nX-Apparently-To: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nReceived: (qmail 6227 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2005 01:16:15 -0000\r\nReceived: from unknown (66.218.66.167)\n  by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2005 01:16:15 -0000\r\nReceived: from unknown (HELO mx6.tiki.ne.jp) (218.40.30.133)\n  by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2005 01:16:14 -0000\r\nReceived: from [192.168.11.5] (pl171.nas931.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp [210.165.197.171])\n\tby mx6.tiki.ne.jp (8.9.3p2.1/3.7W) with ESMTP id KAA13835\n\tfor &lt;OmegaT@yahoogroups.com&gt;; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:14:58 +0900 (JST)\r\nMime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734)\r\nIn-Reply-To: &lt;200509191651.38309.mail@marcprior.de&gt;\r\nReferences: &lt;a4b7db890509190320173cd9f3@mail.gmail.com&gt; &lt;200509191637.10927.mail@marcprior.de&gt; &lt;200509191643510730.002D5C1F@152.111.214.1&gt; &lt;200509191651.38309.mail@marcprior.de&gt;\r\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed\r\nMessage-Id: &lt;2071FC15-246D-494B-BB65-1CDEAE9A2F13@mx6.tiki.ne.jp&gt;\r\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit\r\nDate: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:14:56 +0900\r\nTo: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nX-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734)\r\nX-Originating-IP: 218.40.30.133\r\nX-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0\r\nFrom: JC Helary &lt;fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp&gt;\r\nSubject: Re: [OmT] Should &lt;br&gt; segment in HTML?\r\nX-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=229380146; y=7QdzTnGeeKnbtUDsRmEwZ_YYsjak430UQluZiS5BXw_X-DfXcQ\r\nX-Yahoo-Profile: jc_helary\r\n\r\n&gt; This is a common device in German, and I suspect, a variety of  \n&gt; different\n&gt; formatting techniques are used to implement it.\n\nI think this comment is especially interesting because it confirms  \nthat the concept of sentence (or even paragraph) varies drastically  \nbetween languages...\n\nConsidering that html was created in the context of English (and to  \nsome extent western european languages), I think we are reaching a  \n&quot;cultural&quot; barrier here that has not much to do with what the &lt;br&gt;  \ntag was supposed to implement in the first place.\n\nBut one thing is sure, it is that &lt;br&gt; is _not_ an inline tag as the  \nW3 defines it. It is more like the concept of line breaks that we use  \nto segment text files: see the comment about the evolution of &lt;br /&gt;  \ninto the &lt;l&gt; &lt;/l&gt; container.\n\n(From the Working Draft of XHTML 2.0)\n&gt; Line breaks: in previous versions of HTML, the br element was used  \n&gt; to add micro-structure to text, essentially breaking a piece of  \n&gt; text into several &#39;lines&#39;. This micro-structure is now made  \n&gt; explicit in XHTML 2 with the l element, which encloses the text to  \n&gt; be broken. Amongst other advantages, this gives more presentational  \n&gt; opportunities, such as the ability to automatically number lines,  \n&gt; or to color alternate lines differently.\n&gt; Paragraph structure: in earlier versions of HTML, a p element could  \n&gt; only contain simple text. It has been improved to bring it closer  \n&gt; to what people perceive as a paragraph, now being allowed to  \n&gt; include such things as lists and tables.\n\nSo we are going to have issues with what a paragraph means in the  \nnext to come XHTML version, and how that will be implemented in  \nOmegaT :)\n\nRight now, I think the simplest way to determine whether a tag should  \nbe segmenting or not is to have inline tags as not segmenting and  \nanything not inline as segmenting. &quot;Anything&quot; should be measured  \nsince &quot;anything&quot; is not always a text container (&lt;img&gt; for ex). While  \n&lt;br&gt; can be seen today, to some extent, as a container of sorts.\n\nI think we had this discussion a long time ago, but then we only  \naddressed the difference between inline tags and block tags, not  \nconsidering the tags that were neither since they were not defined as  \ntext containers.\n\nIf &lt;br&gt; is meant to evolve into the &lt;l&gt; text container, it is  \nequivalent to the line break that we use to segment text files and  \nthus is a segmenting tag.\n\nProblem is, since it is not a container it ends only where the next  \nnot inline text container ends/starts, which I suppose makes things  \nmore difficult.\n\nAlso, in the context of a list, &lt;li&gt; being segmenting it seems fair  \nto have the &lt;br&gt; replacement segmenting too.\n\nI think XHTML is slowly reaching the level of other more complex XML  \nbased languages (see http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xhtml2-20050527/ \nxhtml2.html#s_editmodule) and we should take that into account in  \nOmegaT&#39;s html support.\n\nJean-Christophe\n\n"}}