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Well, let s put it that way. Currently the person in charge of Yahoo is me. I want to transfer this responsibility to the project where 6 project admins","rawEmail":"Return-Path: &lt;fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp&gt;\r\nX-Sender: fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp\r\nX-Apparently-To: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nReceived: (qmail 56671 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2007 12:51:22 -0000\r\nReceived: from unknown (66.218.67.34)\n  by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2007 12:51:22 -0000\r\nReceived: from unknown (HELO smtp9.tiki.ne.jp) (218.40.30.106)\n  by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2007 12:51:22 -0000\r\nReceived: from [192.168.11.4] (pl239.nas932.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp [210.136.180.239])\n\t(authenticated bits=0)\n\tby smtp9.tiki.ne.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l51CpDKV010774\n\t(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO)\n\tfor &lt;OmegaT@yahoogroups.com&gt;; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:51:13 +0900 (JST)\n\t(envelope-from fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp)\r\nMime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3)\r\nIn-Reply-To: &lt;614685.59444.qm@web26309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com&gt;\r\nReferences: &lt;614685.59444.qm@web26309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com&gt;\r\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed\r\nMessage-Id: &lt;11D52AA7-12BD-46EC-94DE-709581BA2914@mx6.tiki.ne.jp&gt;\r\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit\r\nDate: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:51:10 +0900\r\nTo: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nX-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3)\r\nX-Originating-IP: 218.40.30.106\r\nX-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0\r\nFrom: Jean-Christophe Helary &lt;fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp&gt;\r\nSubject: Re: [OmT] User oriented (re ?) organization of the OmegaT project\r\nX-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=229380146; y=e44FnCj4mN9zABraZvk6CRTn8ZJV8J8ge3eNxDm8KaknTCPbsA\r\nX-Yahoo-Profile: jc_helary\r\n\r\n\nOn 1 juin 07, at 21:27, S. Tomaskovic wrote:\n\n&gt;&gt; I&#39;d like the list be more project centered and thus,\n&gt;&gt; shifting to the SourceForge hosting would guaranty that there is not\n&gt;&gt; an &quot;owner&quot; anymore but a number of people managing the list on\n&gt;&gt; an equal basis.\n&gt;\n&gt; But do you think that shifting from here to SF would\n&gt; actually be enough to make that step from a site of\n&gt; volunteers and users to a project-oriented site? Does\n&gt; a SF user forum create that image that it is more\n&gt; project centered?\n&gt;\n&gt; I have my doubts here.\n\nWell, let&#39;s put it that way. Currently the person in charge of Yahoo  \nis me. I want to transfer this responsibility to the project where 6  \nproject admins currently have a &quot;relatively&quot; equal status and where  \nother developers can be attributed tasks (such as co-moderating the  \nforum). The organizational result would be to shift from a single  \nperson responsible for the whole thing to a project in charge of the  \nset of lists.\n\n&gt;&gt; The second issue is that this list is part of the\n&gt;&gt; OmegaT project but is too remote from it that casual users really\n&gt;&gt; understand what the project is.\n&gt;\n&gt; Do they really need to understand that? OK, some user\n&gt; education may be necessary, especially when it comes\n&gt; to understand what can and cannot be done (i.e.,\n&gt; features that can or cannot be added), but I doubt\n&gt; that moving the forum to SF will be sufficient. User\n&gt; education will still be an issue, even on a\n&gt; forum/mailinglist hosted on SF.\n\nDefinitely. But it is very easy for users to stick to the Yahoo  \ninterface and never leave it except for downloading the updated  \npackages where they _have_ to go to SF.\n\nI think getting the users to be in touch with the SF site, the other  \nlists when they make searches, the trackers tabs when they open the  \nsite is a very visual way to get them used to the whole buzz.\n\n&gt;&gt; Third, even though it is a quite active\n&gt;&gt; list, I think it is sad that this activity does not reflect on the\n&gt;&gt; project as a whole: hosting it on SourceForge would ensure that this\n&gt;&gt; activity is directly taken into account in the project.\n&gt;\n&gt; I don&#39;t quite understand this one. What kind of\n&gt; activity would you like to be taken into account, and\n&gt; why would a move to the SF site/mailinglist/forum\n&gt; support this?\n\nEach project has activity stats that reflect, well, its activity.  \nBasically the activity that is taken into account is the number of  \ndownloads, the activity on the trackers, the activity on the lists,  \nthe number of viewed pages.\n\nWhen a little development is going on (and with the current average  \nof 2000 downloads a month) it happens quite often that OmegaT is  \nranked among the top 400 projects on SF, out of 100,000+\n\nIf the user list was also taken into account, I have no doubt that  \nwe&#39;d be able to raise the activity level and most importantly keep it  \nat a stable level that is less influenced by the activity level on  \nthe dev side.\n\n&gt; May I add, as a user of other open-source software (of\n&gt; which some are hosted on SF), and therefore frequently\n&gt; user of such SF forums/mailinglists, that probably no\n&gt; other site is as user-unfriendly and badly designed as\n&gt; SourceForge. (This is just my personal opinion.)\n\nThey are all pretty bad, I acknowledge that. But as far as mere  \ninformation is concerned we have the official site, managed by Marc,  \nthat does a terrific job at providing information in a multilingual  \nformat. So let&#39;s see the thing as a pair: the static side managed by  \nMarc, and the buzz side managed by, well, the managers.\n\nJC\n\n"}}