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In \nsome languages, a small change (percentagewise) in the text results in a \nsmall semantic change, but in other languages the changes are bigger.\n\nThe &quot;small change&quot; (the effect of, say, a change to one word or even one \nletter) varies so much that the effect can only be considered at the level of \nthe individual change, or perhaps the level of the motivation behind it, i.e. \nthe level of the individual document. I think it is dangerous to make \ngeneralizations regarding a particular language.\n\nI&#39;m sure many of us have translated a document, then received a version \ncontaining amendments with the request to adapt our original translation, \nonly to find that our translation was still a perfectly adequate translation \nof the amended document. And often suspected (and sometimes known) that the \namendments to the source text were made after the author had read our \ntranslations, and the &quot;new&quot; source text is in fact even more like our \ntranslation than the &quot;old&quot; one. :-)\n\nIn these and similar cases, there is zero work to do in the way of changes, \nbut still a whole bunch of work to do in the way of reviewing each individual \nchange.\n\nThe work involved in reviewing someone else&#39;s translation is a similar issue. \nThis work depends upon two factors: firstly, the difficulty of the original \ntranslation task, and secondly, how well the original translator accomplished \nit. The translation might be perfect, but nevertheless a lot of work to \ncheck. Or it might be diabolical, but in the case of an &quot;easy&quot; text, not all \nthat much work to correct, or for that matter retranslate. Assumptions are \ndangerous.\n\nI agree with Sonja that quantifying translation effort by volume is per se - \nto use her words - &quot;not right&quot;. It&#39;s convenient, admittedly, and I don&#39;t \nthink it&#39;s going to change in the foreseeable future. But I already have \ndifferent rates for different customers and different types of text for the \nsame customer, to reflect different levels of difficulty. Quantification of \ntranslation by volume is a concession to pricing transparency, and I oppose \nregarding it as a given and taking it to its logical conclusion that \nsimilarities can be quantified in a similar way.\n\nAs regards fuzzy matches, in fact, I would rather take the number of \n*identical* matches in a text as an indicator of the overall level of &quot;fuzzy \nmatching&quot;, than &quot;fuzzy match percentages&quot; that give the impression of having \nsome scientific validity because they have figures after the decimal point.\n\n&gt; I think leveraging is important to translation companies... \n\nOf course it is - some of them are incapable of selling services on any basis \nother than price. :-)\n\n&gt; it is not all bad and it doesn&#39;t necessarily lead to underpaid translators. \n\nI am in favour of leveraging, otherwise I would never have promoted OmegaT. \nBut it is translators who should be defining the savings in effort, not \ncustomers or CAT tool vendors.\n\n/rant\n\nMarc\n\n"}}