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Well, you can still see context even if you re using Ctrl+U.  Ctrl+U is also useful if you have several documents in which only a few sentences differ, or","rawEmail":"Return-Path: &lt;leuce@absamail.co.za&gt;\r\nX-Sender: leuce@absamail.co.za\r\nX-Apparently-To: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nX-Received: (qmail 15018 invoked from network); 14 May 2009 14:09:09 -0000\r\nX-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200)\n  by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2009 14:09:09 -0000\r\nX-Received: from unknown (HELO waveland.rdns.net) (74.200.202.55)\n  by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 14:09:09 -0000\r\nX-Received: from [41.177.9.68] (port=1452 helo=[10.0.0.3])\n\tby waveland.rdns.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256)\n\t(Exim 4.69)\n\t(envelope-from &lt;leuce@absamail.co.za&gt;)\n\tid 1M4bcQ-0001Ev-Kj\n\tfor OmegaT@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 14 May 2009 09:09:08 -0500\r\nMessage-ID: &lt;4A0C25F6.5020407@absamail.co.za&gt;\r\nDate: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:08:54 +0200\r\nUser-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080708 Thunderbird/2.0.0.16 Mnenhy/0.7.6.0\r\nMIME-Version: 1.0\r\nTo: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nReferences: &lt;e45afe7d0905140010p2151544dw9c56d43dd31868b9@mail.gmail.com&gt; &lt;4A0BC569.6020009@marcprior.de&gt; &lt;4A0BFED4.60704@absamail.co.za&gt; &lt;4A0C07C7.1000509@marcprior.de&gt; &lt;4A0C1665.8060205@absamail.co.za&gt; &lt;4A0C2044.8050200@marcprior.de&gt;\r\nIn-Reply-To: &lt;4A0C2044.8050200@marcprior.de&gt;\r\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed\r\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit\r\nX-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report\r\nX-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - waveland.rdns.net\r\nX-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com\r\nX-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12]\r\nX-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - absamail.co.za\r\nX-Source: \r\nX-Source-Args: \r\nX-Source-Dir: \r\nX-Originating-IP: 74.200.202.55\r\nX-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0\r\nFrom: &quot;Samuel Murray (Krugersdorp)&quot; &lt;leuce@absamail.co.za&gt;\r\nSubject: Re: [OmT] Need urgent help with OmegaT inserting wrong text!\r\nX-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=176392694; y=iCm7SzL6aekFBTkXHsjYUEYbswMJuB3xFyeYw9d9Irzgud60Pw\r\nX-Yahoo-Profile: lacialacia\r\n\r\nMarc Prior wrote:\n\n&gt; Samuel Murray (Krugersdorp) wrote:\n\n&gt;&gt; If you&#39;re using Ctrl+N, it won&#39;t be a problem.  But if you\n&gt;&gt; translate using Ctrl+U, then you may well miss the fact that a skipped segment\n&gt;&gt; is incorrectly translated.\n\n&gt; I must admit that I wouldn&#39;t dream of &quot;translating using Ctrl+U&quot;.\n&gt; That&#39;s like saying that I&#39;m only going to translate individual\n&gt; segments but I don&#39;t care about context.\n\nWell, you can still see context even if you&#39;re using Ctrl+U.  Ctrl+U is \nalso useful if you have several documents in which only a few sentences \ndiffer, or if you have a project with lots and lots of repetitions.\n\n&gt; Ctrl+U has other uses, such as locating untranslated segments when\n&gt; I&#39;ve modified the source text files.\n\nOr if you&#39;ve decided to skip segments for whatever reason (eg they \ncontained terminology for which you haven&#39;t finished researching).\n\n&gt; As far as I can see, a problem only arises at the checking stage, by\n&gt; which time, when I decide to modify a propagated segment, I will\n&gt; probably realize that it is a propagated segment.\n\nIf the difference is between &quot;Saturday&quot; and &quot;Sunday&quot;, then it would be \nfairly obvious that the translation is wrong and is the result of \npropagation.  But sometimes a longer sentence needs to be translated in \na slightly different way, based on its context, and then you might \neither miss it or not remember the reason why you made the alteration.\n\n&gt; Problem 1: someone has to do the work (and work done on implementing\n&gt; split/merge instead would go a long way to resolving the problem).\n\nThis is a non-issue for me, when discussing it.  It&#39;s like saying &quot;it \ncan&#39;t be done because it would have to be done&quot;. :-)\n\n&gt; Problem 2: fancy colours in the editing pain have a performance\n&gt; overhead. This was critical at one stage; whether it still is, I\n&gt; don&#39;t know.\n\nWell, there is already the option to mark translated or untranslated \nsegments in a different colour, and we can also mark source and target \ntext in different colours, in OmT 2 public.\n\n&gt; Problem 3: are you sure that you can in fact search for all instances\n&gt; of a propagated segment using Ctrl+F?\n\nIt did not occur to me that it would not be so.  Select the entire \nsegment and go Ctrl+F... shouldn&#39;t that find all instances?\n\n&gt; What other solution can there be? If you have two instances of a\n&gt; certain segment, and they are to be translated differently, the only\n&gt; way to distinguish them is by their position in the document, i.e. by\n&gt; their position relative to other segments in the source text.\n\nOr... by their position relative to the start or end of the text.  But I \nthink the issue is more complex than that.  For example if you&#39;re \ntranslating a column or row in Calc where the contents of cells are all \nmostly the same but relate to items in an adjacent column or row, then \nmerging segments (or any traditional ICE method) will be useless.\n\nI also have my doubts about how soon OmT would be able to merge segments \nacross paragraph boundaries.  You can currently merge within a \nparagraph, and a simple merge tool that adds the appropriate \nsegmentation rule can be the solution, but that only applies to problems \nwithin paragraphs.  It won&#39;t help for lists, Impress boxes, Writer text \nboxes and graphs, Calc columns and rows, etc.\n\n&gt; ...by OmegaT identifying a\n&gt; repetition uniquely according to neighbouring segments.\n\nI often translate clinical trial documents.  These may contain items \nlike this:\n\nI strongly agree\nI moderately agree\nI don&#39;t agree or disagree\nI moderately disagree\nI strongly disagree\n\nNow it sometimes happens that in similar items one or two of them should \nbe translated different from usual because of the surrounding text or \nthe subject matter, or because the word order rules in Afrikaans are \njust a little different from that of English.  Unless OmT can do \nin-context matching that crosses several segments all the way to the \nnearest unique segment, and not just the immediately adjacent ones, what \nyou propose will not be a solution for the above type of repetition.\n\nSamuel\n\n"}}