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I agree with your first statement, but not the second. It is as if the translator would try to translate a TXT file using the .properties filter, or to","rawEmail":"Return-Path: &lt;leuce@absamail.co.za&gt;\r\nX-Sender: leuce@absamail.co.za\r\nX-Apparently-To: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nX-Received: (qmail 57561 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 16:28:55 -0000\r\nX-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96)\n  by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 16:28:55 -0000\r\nX-Received: from unknown (HELO mx07.vox.co.za) (196.41.6.142)\n  by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 16:28:55 -0000\r\nX-Received: from [41.177.9.134] (helo=[10.0.0.5])\n\tby mx07.vox.co.za with esmtpa (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD))\n\t(envelope-from &lt;leuce@absamail.co.za&gt;)\n\tid 1KYNt7-000JDz-3X\n\tfor OmegaT@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:28:53 +0200\r\nMessage-ID: &lt;48B580CB.7010807@absamail.co.za&gt;\r\nDate: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:28:59 +0200\r\nUser-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708)\r\nMIME-Version: 1.0\r\nTo: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nReferences: &lt;48B5757C.4060202@gmail.com&gt; &lt;48B57AC4.3090009@absamail.co.za&gt; &lt;DE488F09-5D10-4732-9728-4AE844A46F68@mx6.tiki.ne.jp&gt;\r\nIn-Reply-To: &lt;DE488F09-5D10-4732-9728-4AE844A46F68@mx6.tiki.ne.jp&gt;\r\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed\r\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable\r\nX-Original-Subject: Re: [OmT] cfm files and other abominations?\r\nX-Originating-IP: 196.41.6.142\r\nX-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0\r\nFrom: &quot;Samuel Murray (Home)&quot; &lt;leuce@absamail.co.za&gt;\r\nSubject: Re: [OmT] cfm files and other abominations?\r\nX-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=176392694; y=IRo5yEvlP0f_9MBO-hz0GMewcudwrIER1WMtqggQElhNRvDd7g\r\nX-Yahoo-Profile: lacialacia\r\n\r\nJean-Christophe Helary wrote:\n\n&gt; On 28 ao=FBt 08, at 01:03, Samuel Murray (=\r\nHome) wrote:\n\n&gt;&gt; and I suspect a translator using a CAT tool may have a rea=\r\nsonable \n&gt;&gt; expectation that the CAT tool will warn/inform them about what =\r\n\n&gt;&gt; portions of text should be translated and which not.  OmegaT won&#39;t\n&gt;&gt; d=\r\no this.\n\n&gt; The translator should know what to expect from the tool based on=\r\n what\n&gt; is fed to it, not based on irrational ideas about &quot;what the ideal\n&gt;=\r\n tool should do&quot;...\n\nI agree with your first statement, but not the second.=\r\n\n\nIt is as if the translator would try to translate a TXT file using the\n.p=\r\nroperties filter, or to translate a key=3Dvalue file using the ODT\nfilter e=\r\ntc.  Yes, then obviously the translator should be aware that\nthings will be=\r\n a little weird, that OmegaT might not catch all\ntranslatable text, and tha=\r\nt some text presented to him for translation\nis in fact untranslatable.\n\nBu=\r\nt the reason why OmegaT has an HTML file is precisely to take out the\nguess=\r\nwork.  OmegaT&#39;s HTML filter will not prompt a user to translate\nsomething t=\r\nhat is untranslatable, and it will presumably not skip any\ntext that was su=\r\npposed to be translated.  Such is the purpose of a\nfilter, isn&#39;t it?\n\nIt is=\r\n not irrational to expect a CAT tool to behave like a CAT tool.\n\n&gt; On the c=\r\nontrary, I would suggest OmegaT and I would explain her the\n&gt; limitations o=\r\nf the process. That way, she would learn about the\n&gt; format and about Omega=\r\nT...\n\nLearning a format like CFM (or HTML) isn&#39;t something that happens\nnat=\r\nurally, and is unreasonable to expect a translator to learn how to\nwrite HT=\r\nML or CFM in a couple of minutes (or even an hour).  Oh, sure,\nwe can tell =\r\nher &quot;use OmegaT but learn CFM first&quot;, but that kinda defeats\nthe purpose of=\r\n having a CAT tool with filters.\n\n&gt; If all the non translatable parts adopt=\r\n a similar pattern, I don&#39;t\n&gt; see how even a moderately experienced transla=\r\ntor could miss them.\n\nThis is extremely dangerous advice, for the simple re=\r\nason that the\nclient would expect to get a translated file that actually wo=\r\nrks.  If by\nsome chance some feature of CFM is less &quot;obvious&quot; than expected=\r\n, and the\ntranslator breaks the format, he would be delivering a useless fi=\r\nle to\nthe client.\n\nIn some cases (I can think of Mozilla .properties files,=\r\n for example),\nit is very difficult and cumbersome to determine that a lang=\r\nuage file is\nbroken until you compile into the program and the program hang=\r\ns.\n\nIt is entirely reasonable for a client to expect that if a translator\ns=\r\nays &quot;I can translate CFM files&quot; that is means the delivered CFM file is\n100=\r\n% guaranteed to be valid.\n\nSamuel\n\n\n\n\n"}}