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The second issue is that there is a trade-off","rawEmail":"Return-Path: &lt;mail@marcprior.de&gt;\r\nX-Sender: mail@marcprior.de\r\nX-Apparently-To: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nX-Received: (qmail 69874 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2010 10:13:40 -0000\r\nX-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106)\n  by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2010 10:13:40 -0000\r\nX-Received: from unknown (HELO mo-p00-ob.rzone.de) (81.169.146.162)\n  by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2010 10:13:40 -0000\r\nX-RZG-AUTH: :IW0NeWCleu3NCLZrvwV6ORkX9kpsdepz7ym3QvLwqKG/CxzSJ1M8iFsvLl6quQ==\r\nX-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00\r\nX-Received: from [192.168.0.139] (p5086EE0A.dip.t-dialin.net [80.134.238.10])\n\tby post.strato.de (klopstock mo9) (RZmta 22.6)\n\twith ESMTP id m036f4m1M9xcld for &lt;OmegaT@yahoogroups.com&gt;;\n\tMon, 22 Feb 2010 11:12:48 +0100 (MET)\r\nMessage-ID: &lt;4B8258A0.2040608@marcprior.de&gt;\r\nDate: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:12:48 +0100\r\nUser-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817)\r\nMIME-Version: 1.0\r\nTo: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nReferences: &lt;AOEHKCKOIOGPGCNLDEKBCEPLGIAA.d.briel@free.fr&gt; &lt;4B8105A5.1030905@absamail.co.za&gt; &lt;4B810C0B.2060501@marcprior.de&gt; &lt;4B81A79A.6060204@absamail.co.za&gt; &lt;4B823DC8.2090602@marcprior.de&gt; &lt;4B8245F0.8050405@absamail.co.za&gt;\r\nIn-Reply-To: &lt;4B8245F0.8050405@absamail.co.za&gt;\r\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed\r\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit\r\nX-Originating-IP: 81.169.146.162\r\nX-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0\r\nFrom: Marc Prior &lt;mail@marcprior.de&gt;\r\nSubject: Re: [OmT] OmegaT beta version 2.1.3 released\r\nX-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=12196177; y=EvnvbMrr8ZmePY6wjqsaJD1KDr8TTvf1Iseqb-DuhEVOpLHP\r\nX-Yahoo-Profile: lin4trans\r\n\r\nSamuel,\n\nThe first issue is that we don&#39;t have full control over how SourceForge \nstructures the download page.\n\nThe second issue is that there is a trade-off between simplicity and \nchoice; we don&#39;t have numerous versions in order to make life difficult \nfor users, but in order to meet their needs better.\n\nThe third issue is that there is a trade-off between user convenience \nand the need to keep updating the download page (and localized versions \nof it).\n\nBecause of these issues, there have already been three completely \ndifferent versions of the download page within the last two years \n(approx). I really don&#39;t want to have to keep updating download.html a) \nbecause SF has restructured its download page yet again, b) because \nproviding direct links means changing them again with every release.\n\nI think that the current download page is a pretty good compromise. It \ndoes require users to figure out which version they need, but it gives \nthem the information to do that. There is simply no other way of \nsatisfying everyone. If we want to give people the choice between a \nstable and a beta version, the choice between downloading the JRE, \npossibly unnecessarily, or not, the opportunity to download a version to \nbe installed on a different system, and so on - we have to enable them \nto make these choices themselves. We can&#39;t make them for them.\n\nAs regards the distinction between stable and beta, given our resources, \nit will always be the case that final testing will be done by users. \nUsers who want a little extra security can take the &quot;stable&quot; version \nthat has been in use &quot;in the wild&quot; for a few months. Again, there isn&#39;t \nreally a way around this. Whatever we do, someone will find it less than \noptimal.\n\n&quot;The new layout of the SF landing page creates the impression that the \nrelease version is the ideal version to download,which in OmegaT&#39;s case \nis not the case.&quot;\n\ndownload.html explains the differences between the versions clearly. The \nlink to the SF download page is deliberately placed 3/4 of the way down \ndownload.html. If you have read that information, you will *not* get the \nimpression that the stable release version is the ideal version to \ndownload, because you will be prepared for it. Conversely, if you are \nabsolutely determined just to click away on the most prominent/first \nlink you see and not read any information, then yes, the stable release \nversion (with JRE, and for the system to which you are downloading it) \n*is* the ideal version.\n\nMarc\n \n\n\n\nSamuel Murray (Durbanville) wrote:\n&gt; Marc Prior wrote:\n&gt;\n&gt;   \n&gt;&gt; If it could be made clearer, I would change it. I&#39;d consider changing \n&gt;&gt; the link to:\n&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt; sourceforge.net/projects/omegat/files/\n&gt;&gt;\n&gt;&gt; - but I don&#39;t think that really helps at all.\n&gt;&gt;     \n&gt;\n&gt; No, you&#39;re right.  I think one must acknowledge the tradition of the \n&gt; OmegaT community to have both a &quot;release version&quot; and a publicly \n&gt; available beta version.  Some OSS projects don&#39;t make their beta \n&gt; versions available to the public (or encourage their use as much as \n&gt; OmegaT&#39;s community does), while some OSS projects don&#39;t really have \n&gt; separate release versions and beta versions, as members are encouraged \n&gt; to use the very latest version in all case.  OmegaT does have a release \n&gt; version, but considers the publicly available beta version as stable \n&gt; enough for professional use.\n&gt;\n&gt; If I&#39;m not mistaken, the only difference between the release and the \n&gt; beta versions (except for added features) is that the release version&#39;s \n&gt; user manual is up to date.  Am I right?  If so, then I think the web \n&gt; site should be changed to say this:  download &quot;here&quot; for the latest \n&gt; version with a complete user manual; and download &quot;here&quot; for the latest \n&gt; version with the newest features.  Just an idea.\n&gt;\n&gt; Previously, SourceForge&#39;s landing page did not have a link to download \n&gt; the latest release version at all.  One had to go to the /files/ section \n&gt; to get any version.  The new layout of the SF landing page creates the \n&gt; impression that the release version is the ideal version to download, \n&gt; which in OmegaT&#39;s case is not the case.\n&gt;\n&gt; Samuel\n&gt;\n&gt;\n&gt;\n&gt; ------------------------------------\n&gt;\n&gt; The OmegaT Project Philosophy:\n&gt; http://www.omegat.org/en/philosophy.html\n&gt; The OmegaT Project and You:\n&gt; http://www.omegat.org/en/involved.html\n&gt;\n&gt; OmegaT contributors should join the &quot;omegat-development&quot; group\n&gt; OmegaT localizers should join the &quot;omegat-l10n&quot; group\n&gt; http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=68187\n&gt;\n&gt; IRC channel: http://java.freenode.net//index.php?channel=omegat\n&gt; or: irc://irc.freenode.net/omegat\n&gt; Bug reports, feature requests, OmegaT test versions etc...:\n&gt; http://sourceforge.net/projects/omegat/\n&gt;\n&gt; ------------------------------------\n&gt;\n&gt; Yahoo! Groups Links\n&gt;\n&gt;\n&gt;\n&gt;\n&gt;   \n\n\n"}}