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It means that as I inserted the google trans output, I looked it over and corrected obvious errors, etc., ie. during or as you go , not afterwards, yes. ","rawEmail":"Return-Path: &lt;photodharma@gmail.com&gt;\r\nX-Sender: photodharma@gmail.com\r\nX-Apparently-To: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nX-Received: (qmail 25952 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2009 16:18:55 -0000\r\nX-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45)\n  by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2009 16:18:55 -0000\r\nX-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.24)\n  by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2009 16:18:55 -0000\r\nX-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 8so397137qwh.27\n        for &lt;OmegaT@yahoogroups.com&gt;; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:18:33 -0700 (PDT)\r\nX-Received: by 10.224.94.134 with SMTP id z6mr1529013qam.145.1253290704305;\n        Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:18:24 -0700 (PDT)\r\nReturn-Path: &lt;photodharma@gmail.com&gt;\r\nX-Received: from ?192.168.1.102? (c-76-28-94-121.hsd1.ct.comcast.net [76.28.94.121])\n        by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm159630qwb.0.2009.09.18.09.18.21\n        (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5);\n        Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:18:22 -0700 (PDT)\r\nMessage-ID: &lt;4AB3B267.8020906@gmail.com&gt;\r\nDate: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:16:39 -0400\r\nOrganization: photodharma.com\r\nUser-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090706)\r\nMIME-Version: 1.0\r\nTo: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nReferences: &lt;AOEHKCKOIOGPGCNLDEKBGECEGBAA.d.briel@free.fr&gt; &lt;4AB37DF4.7090906@absamail.co.za&gt; &lt;4AB383CF.3000004@marcprior.de&gt; &lt;4AB38602.90404@absamail.co.za&gt; &lt;4AB38986.5090405@gmail.com&gt; &lt;4AB38C83.2060702@marcprior.de&gt; &lt;4AB39755.6020402@gmail.com&gt; &lt;4AB39DF3.9090708@marcprior.de&gt; &lt;4AB3A570.9090407@absamail.co.za&gt;\r\nIn-Reply-To: &lt;4AB3A570.9090407@absamail.co.za&gt;\r\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed\r\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit\r\nX-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.24\r\nX-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0\r\nFrom: Tony Baldwin &lt;photodharma@gmail.com&gt;\r\nSubject: Re: [OmT] OT: Back to Google Translate\r\nX-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207328181; y=KWVk7-klTaMPBOmv5SDmPcSPA_ptvOqlkBq5gRaVyWolz84iGrc\r\nX-Yahoo-Profile: tonytraductor\r\n\r\nSamuel Murray (Ugchelen) wrote:\n&gt; Marc Prior wrote:\n&gt; \n&gt;&gt; Tony Baldwin wrote:\n&gt; \n&gt;&gt;&gt; I DID use Google Translate in OmegaT, did some quick\n&gt;&gt;&gt; revision of my own on the fly, and then sent it to native providers\n&gt;&gt;&gt; of the target languages for final revision.\n&gt; \n&gt;&gt; The element that is difficult to quantify here is the actual value of\n&gt;&gt; what you describe as &quot;some quick revision of my own on the fly&quot;.\n&gt; \n&gt; Does &quot;on the fly&quot; here mean what I generally take it to mean, i.e. &quot;not \n&gt; afterwards but during&quot;, or does it mean &quot;somewhat careless&quot;?\n\nIt means that as I inserted the google trans output, I looked it over \nand corrected obvious errors, etc., ie. during or &quot;as you go&quot;, not \nafterwards, yes.\n\n&gt; \n&gt; The way I see it, Tony&#39;s profit may be double but that doesn&#39;t mean his \n&gt; speed was double.\n\n\nOkay, I could have translated these texts without google translate, by \nmyself, and it would have taken probably twice as long, if not longer.\nTranslating TO what are usually my source languages is more time consuming.\nI&#39;ve done it that way, before the GT was an option in OmegaT, of course.\nWhen I didn&#39;t have other work on my desk, had the time, etc. So, at my \nend, it is a huge time saver.\n\n&gt; \n&gt;&gt; 1. Google Translate output + your revision resulted in a text the\n&gt;&gt; revision of which was substantially less work than translation from\n&gt;&gt; scratch, in which case what you describe as &quot;quick revision&quot; is\n&gt;&gt; actually substantial added value.\n&gt; \n&gt; I believe that this is the ideal, yes.  For a skilled translator, \n&gt; improving a non-adequate MT translation to an adequate translation may \n&gt; be very little work but it makes all the difference.\n\nThis would be my case.\nI used google trans to quickly create a &quot;not too bad&quot; translation, and, \nthrough my own input along the way, made it into a &quot;pretty good \ntranslation&quot;, then sent it to native providers to then turn it into a \n&quot;professional product&quot;.\n\n&gt; \n&gt; The same can be said of other processes in translation -- some of it \n&gt; requires a lot of effort without adding much to the overall quality \n&gt; whereas some steps are relatively simple but results in a great \n&gt; improvement.  Take spell-checking, for example: it&#39;s practically a \n&gt; no-brainer to run a spell-check, but the result of a spell-check is a \n&gt; text that is infinitely superior to what the text might have been before \n&gt; the spell-check.\n&gt; \n&gt; The MT editor brings the text up from &quot;not quite acceptable&quot; to &quot;merely \n&gt; acceptable&quot;, and the final reviser then raises the quality of the text \n&gt; an extra notch to &quot;quite acceptable&quot;.\n\nzactly what I&#39;m talkin&#39; &#39;bout here, Willis.\n\n&gt; \n&gt;&gt; Either you&#39;re\n&gt;&gt; getting worse quality for the same money, or you&#39;re expecting more\n&gt;&gt; work from your providers for the same money, or...\n&gt; \n&gt; Or... or Tony puts in just enough effort himself to tip the scale. \n&gt; Similar arguments can be made for CAT, by the way.\n\nHonestly, when I first heard about CAT software, it seemed like \ncheating.  I&#39;ve had a bad attitude about MT for some time, as well, \nthinking it was a) cheating, and b) likely to produce a terrible product.\nMy attitude has changed.\nFirst of all, so long as I am not being dishonest to either my clients \nor my providers, how can it be cheating?  and Second, so long as I am \nsure to revise the text and/or pay a qualified professional their \nrequested rate for doing the same, the final product should in no way be \ndiminished.\nI used to paint houses, and knew painters who thought using sprayers was \ncheating and a bad idea.\nWhen I started to run my own contractor business, I invested in a \nsprayer.  It allowed me to get work done efficiently, and pass the \nsavings back to the client, thus allowing me to be more competitive in \nthe market while providing a quality coating.  Seems like smart LSPs are \nusing MT in the same way, now.\n\nOf course, some, like the painter who sprays the paint on without \npreparing the surfaces correctly and or reviewing the final coat and \namending inconsistencies, simply crank out a machine translation and try \nto pass it off as a final product.  Those ones won&#39;t last long on the \nmarket.\n\n/tony\n\n\n-- \nhttp://www.baldwinsoftware.com\nfree/open source software\ntcl yer os with a feather...\n\n"}}