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Unless the translator has specific reasons to use a filter not fully adapted to the format I don t see any case where that can happen by chance. If the","rawEmail":"Return-Path: &lt;fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp&gt;\r\nX-Sender: fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp\r\nX-Apparently-To: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nX-Received: (qmail 48756 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 17:07:43 -0000\r\nX-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97)\n  by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 17:07:43 -0000\r\nX-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp10.tiki.ne.jp) (218.40.30.107)\n  by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 17:07:42 -0000\r\nX-Received: from [192.168.11.6] (pl126.nas933.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp [210.136.182.126])\n\t(authenticated bits=0)\n\tby smtp10.tiki.ne.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7RH7et9066716\n\t(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO)\n\tfor &lt;OmegaT@yahoogroups.com&gt;; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:07:41 +0900 (JST)\n\t(envelope-from fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp)\r\nMessage-Id: &lt;C8FAAB10-10FA-47CF-B994-D0AE244F176C@mx6.tiki.ne.jp&gt;\r\nTo: OmegaT@yahoogroups.com\r\nIn-Reply-To: &lt;48B580CB.7010807@absamail.co.za&gt;\r\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes\r\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable\r\nMime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926)\r\nDate: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:07:40 +0900\r\nReferences: &lt;48B5757C.4060202@gmail.com&gt; &lt;48B57AC4.3090009@absamail.co.za&gt; &lt;DE488F09-5D10-4732-9728-4AE844A46F68@mx6.tiki.ne.jp&gt; &lt;48B580CB.7010807@absamail.co.za&gt;\r\nX-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926)\r\nX-Originating-IP: 218.40.30.107\r\nX-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0\r\nFrom: Jean-Christophe Helary &lt;fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp&gt;\r\nSubject: Re: [OmT] cfm files and other abominations?\r\nX-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=229380146; y=WomIAr8W5IXG4GxYt2KqAGu3pi7kMEG_2yXl0BdgmqS7kxd98Q\r\nX-Yahoo-Profile: jc_helary\r\n\r\n\nOn 28 ao=FBt 08, at 01:28, Samuel Murray (Home) wrote:\n\n&gt; It is as if the =\r\ntranslator would try to translate a TXT file using the\n&gt; .properties filter=\r\n, or to translate a key=3Dvalue file using the ODT\n&gt; filter etc.  Yes, then=\r\n obviously the translator should be aware that\n&gt; things will be a little we=\r\nird, that OmegaT might not catch all\n&gt; translatable text, and that some tex=\r\nt presented to him for translation\n&gt; is in fact untranslatable.\n\nUnless the=\r\n translator has specific reasons to use a filter not fully  \nadapted to the=\r\n format I don&#39;t see any case where that can happen by  \nchance.\n\nIf the tra=\r\nnslator has good reasons to do so, the choice is made based  \non the knowle=\r\ndge of the filter&#39;s limitation, and with the security of  \nthe source file =\r\nopened in a separate file viewer to check the contents  \ndisplayed in Omega=\r\nT.\n\n&gt; But the reason why OmegaT has an HTML file is precisely to take out  =\r\n\n&gt; the\n&gt; guesswork.  OmegaT&#39;s HTML filter will not prompt a user to transla=\r\nte\n&gt; something that is untranslatable, and it will presumably not skip any\n=\r\n&gt; text that was supposed to be translated.  Such is the purpose of a\n&gt; filt=\r\ner, isn&#39;t it?\n&gt;\n&gt; It is not irrational to expect a CAT tool to behave like =\r\na CAT tool.\n\nNo, but it is irrational to expect OmegaT to handle CFM files =\r\nas CFM  \nfiles if they are made to be parsed with the HTML filter.\n\n_Unless=\r\n_ one has the knowledge of the limitations of the HTML filter  \nand of the =\r\nCFM format.\n\n&gt; Learning a format like CFM (or HTML) isn&#39;t something that ha=\r\nppens\n&gt; naturally, and is unreasonable to expect a translator to learn how =\r\nto\n&gt; write HTML or CFM in a couple of minutes (or even an hour).\n\nWhy is th=\r\nat so ?\n\n&gt; Oh, sure, we can tell her &quot;use OmegaT but learn CFM first&quot;, but =\r\nthat  \n&gt; kinda defeats\n&gt; the purpose of having a CAT tool with filters.\n\nNo=\r\n. That warns her of the fact that OmegaT is not the tool of choice  \nfor CF=\r\nM translation but can be a reasonable choice once the  \nlimitations are kno=\r\nwn.\n\n&gt;&gt; If all the non translatable parts adopt a similar pattern, I don&#39;t\n=\r\n&gt;&gt; see how even a moderately experienced translator could miss them.\n&gt;\n&gt; Th=\r\nis is extremely dangerous advice, for the simple reason that the\n&gt; client w=\r\nould expect to get a translated file that actually works.   \n&gt; If by\n&gt; some=\r\n chance some feature of CFM is less &quot;obvious&quot; than expected, and  \n&gt; the\n&gt; =\r\ntranslator breaks the format, he would be delivering a useless file to\n&gt; th=\r\ne client.\n\nNot &quot;extremely&quot; dangerous. If the client does not get a working =\r\nfile,  \nthe file can be fixed.\n\n&gt; In some cases (I can think of Mozilla .pr=\r\noperties files, for example),\n&gt; it is very difficult and cumbersome to dete=\r\nrmine that a language  \n&gt; file is\n&gt; broken until you compile into the progr=\r\nam and the program hangs.\n\nAren&#39;t .properties files standard XML entities d=\r\neclarations ? If so,  \nwhat keeps a user from validating them in an appropr=\r\niate XML  \nvalidating tool ?\n\n&gt; It is entirely reasonable for a client to e=\r\nxpect that if a translator\n&gt; says &quot;I can translate CFM files&quot; that is means=\r\n the delivered CFM  \n&gt; file is\n&gt; 100% guaranteed to be valid.\n\nSure, but no=\r\nbody is perfect. A CAT tool is not a black box with only  \ninputs and outpu=\r\nts. Understanding the processes is also a part of the  \njob.\n\n\n\n\n\nJean-Chri=\r\nstophe Helary\n\n------------------------------------\nhttp://mac4translators.=\r\nblogspot.com/\n\n\n"}}